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Отличный атмосферный нью-йоркский кришнакор, сформированный в 1993 году музыкантами Cro-Mags - вокалистом Джоном и басистом Эй Джеем, перебравшего на себя роль гитариста. Остальные участники нарисовались из не менее крутых коллективов Нью-Йорка - Leeway и Breakdown. Банда активно рубилась по Кришне, но о ее концертной деятельности немногое известно, хотя в 1998 году стараниями группы в Манхэтэнне был проведен благотворительный концерт «Hardcore Against Hunger», на котором также выступили 25 Ta Life, Sub Zero, Crown of Thornz, Burn, Sick of it All, Maximum Penalty, Madball, Shutdown и Vision Of Disorder.
Дискография Both Worlds состоит из двух релизов, отличающихся довольно самобытным звучанием, несколько напоминающим Shelter. Впрочем, в музыке ребят присутствуют и соляки по металу, и рифы по хард-року, и панк-рок угар, так что оба альбома всячески рекомендуются для ознакомления.

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John Joseph McGeown - vocals
Eddie Cohen - bass
A.J. Novello - guitar
Jimmy “Pokey” Mo – drums

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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
Тебе должны понравиться, хоть и не битдаун
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Я слушал их.Они куртые
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Что такое кришнакор?
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Что такое кришнакор?
Как по мне - атмосферный олдскул хк/панк с кришнаитским посланием текстов.
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Словосочетание «кришна-кор» (krishna-core) появилось в США в конце 20 века для обозначения сочетания культурных тенденций, возникших на стыке движения хардкор/стрейтэдж и движения Харе Кришна. Этот культурный синтез на основе эзотерического мировоззрения получил наибольшую известность как соответствующее направление в музыке.

На волне изменяющегося стрэйт-эдж движения под влиянием религиозного движения Сознания Кришны стрэйт-эдж принципы «ничего опьяняющего» и «нет беспорядочному сексу» были расширены дополнительным — «нет мясной пище».
Вокалист Нью-Йоркской sXe группы Youth of Today Рэй Каппо (Ray Cappo) присоеденился к этому религиозному движению и создал новую группу SHELTER. Многие его поклонники последовали за ним.
Но, почему Рэй Каппо подался в кришнаизм? История упирается корнями в 80-ые, когда хардкор монстры Youth Of Today цвели и пахли, пополняя свои закрома бесконечными семидюймовками с сХе-пропагандистской направленностью. Поначалу Каппо видел в Сознании Кришны лишь воплощение фанатичной культовости и напущенной замысловатости. Но, становясь знаменитей и успешнее, порастая молодым жирком, вокалист YOT все более и более разочаровывался. «Когда мы только начинали я был анти-жадность, анти-похоть, анти-зло... Но с творческим ростом группы пороки, вместо того, чтобы самоликвидироваться, стали угнетающе воздействовать на мое сознание... Это были сорняки, душившие самое жизненное начало во мне...» Он начал заниматься йогой, изучать буддизм и другие восточные религиозные учения. И в конце концов встретился с Х. Х. Дхандурханой Свами и был поражен и потрясен до глубины души. « Он (Дхандурхана Свами) был самым счастливым человеком, которого я когда-либо встречал. И я хотел быть как он...»
Сейчас вокалист Рэй Каппо - брахман, а гитарист - брахмачари
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Извините за офтоп.Раз уже пошло дело о кришне.Ниукого нет альбомчика сего колектива Еnquirer майспейс

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KRISHNACORE – A DEFINITION
To begin with, here's a definition from urbandictionary.com

1. krishnacore

"A term that describes the portion or the music played by members of the hardcore community connected or adepts to the Hare Krishna movement. Had its roots in the early 80's with bands such as Cro-Mags and Cause For Alarm (although Krishnacore itself did not exist yet). Grew from the straight edge and established itself as a sect inside Hardcore in the early 90's with the growth in popularity of bands such as 108 and Shelter."

Krishnacore is a fairly loose term which attempts to define a phenomena of hardcore/punk bands whose members practice Krishna consciousness in their own lives and teach the philosophy for the benefit of others through their music, lyrics and other methods. There have been many bands from all genres of music doing just that since the 1970's, including rock, reggae, hip-hop/rap, and dance, so one may ask what's so special about hardcore bands doing it that has earned them the title 'Krishnacore'?

WHY KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS
AND HARDCORE PUNK?

One reason is that the phenomena arose more specifically from a branch within the hardcore scene known as 'Straight-edge'. Straight-edge was something that also arose incidentally when Washington D.C. band 'Minor Threat' expounded a philosophy and way of life which was free of addiction to alcohol, drugs and promiscuous sex, in order to be able to think freely and live without vices that ultimately destroy us. When the song was penned by Ian MacKaye in the early 80's it was simply a personal philosophy, which later became a whole genre of music, fashion and lifestyle, sometimes to the detriment of the original meaning of 'straight-edge'. Their wore black painted X's on the back of their hands to show their allegiance to the cause, and sadly, some people became militant and sometimes violent towards people who didn't follow their rules. Nevertheless, despite the culture's shortcomings, many people saw sense in living drug-free, and soon to follow was the logic in being free of other vices as meat-eating and casual-sex.

Straight-edge and hardcore, having it's followers interested in following some regulations in their lives, became a ripe audience for the message of spirituality which was introduced in a powerful way when Ray Cappo of the band 'Youth of Today' took to the Krishna conscious way of life by the close of the 80's, which began to shape their lyrical message quite profoundly. After they disbanded, it wasn't long before Ray (soon to become initiated as 'Raghunatha das') formed hus band 'Shelter' and began to record albums and tour worldwide. Many followers of the straight-edge lifestyle were attracted to the principles and philosophy of the Hare Krishna movement, and spirituality became almost the next step to take in self-improvement after having renounced alcohol and other drugs, meat and other animal products, and sometimes illicit-sex or at least casual sexual relations outside of established relationships. Already being accustomed to saying no to many 'pleasures of the flesh' made it easier to appreciate and practice the 4 regulative principles of the Vedas; no meat-eating, no intoxication, no illicit-sex and no gambling. Instead of the quantum leap most people are expected to make from gross materialistic habits, many of these youth found it refreshing to abandon them for the greater satisfaction of spiritual practices such as mantra-meditation and other devotional services.

KRISHNACORE'S INFLUENCE

By the early 90's many people from the hardcore/punk scene were frequenting Krishna temple's and taking serious interest, and the temple's in Brooklyn, Philadelphia and Washington D.C. themselves became the homes to bands like Shelter and 108 whose music was part of the outreach program to recruit new individuals. During the 1990's Krishnacore had practically carved out it's own scene within hardcore music and began to spread rapidly, to both the pleasure and disdain of hardcore's followers. In a culture which was almost exclusively atheistic and, ironically, still quite materialistic despite claiming to rebel from society's norms of consumerism, spirituality and genuine God-consciousness found it's place and influenced many people.

Although bands like Shelter were not the first, having been inspired in turn by groups like Antidote and New York's 'Cro-Mags' in the 1980's, certainly they were pioneers in spreading the word so widely and so boldly. Whereas the Cro-Mags were known to be Hare Krishna devotees, the spiritual aspect was more covert than their succesors Shelter and 108, who put the Vedic teachings in a nutshell and effectively conveyed it to a specific audience. This was done by singing songs with direct reference to it's philosophy, speaking onstage about the culture, including interviews and quotes on album lyric-sheets, and speaking to the press openly both within the alternative music scene and also the greater music press worldwide.

A ROUGH CHRONOLOGY

Due to the influence of a punk turned devotee named Larry Puglisi, Krishna Consciousness found its way into the New York hardcore scene in the mid 1980's. Puglisi established a house in nearby northern New Jersey for fellow devotees to live in, and sponsored food and clothing drives as well as concerts for the punks and skinheads hanging out in the New York's rough Lower East Side. Early devotees that he had influenced included John Joseph and Harley Flanagan of the band Cro-Mags.

Towards the end of the 1980's the beginning of the Krishnacore revolution really began to come to light. In 1989 American alternative music paper 'Maximum Rock'n'Roll' featured Shelter's Ray Cappo / Raghunatha das on the cover with the headline 'Ray Cappo and the Krishnas'. Ray had been one of the main figures in the hardcore scene in the late 80's with his straightedge band Youth of Today. The interview within was a strong critique of Ray's move towards Indian spirituality by the magazine's notorious atheist Tim Yohannan. Despite his attempts to discredit Krishna consciousness though, Ray came out on top with his quality of humility, and a scathing article followed to try to further attack the religion on grounds of being a brainwashing cult. Still, with a strong influence on America's rebellious youth movement, they couldn't stomp out the fascination some people had with the Vedic culture, which had remained a mystery to which they had no easy access. Scenester Norm Arenas said of the article that he still felt attracted by it despite the negativity therein, and slowly became convinced himself to take to the process and later taught knowledge through his zine 'Anti-Matter' alongside playing in some of the bands.

Ray Cappo had showed his interest in spirituality towards the end of Youth of Today, and after the band split released an ep with guitarist Porcell which made things even more obvious. Then came the seminal Shelter. Ray's band Shelter gradually gained respect after releasing a couple of ep's and the first album 'Perfection of Desire', which Ray wrote himself in a week in his mum's attic! They went on to record more albums and defined their unique style blending melodic hardcore with profound spiritually-inspired lyrics. While on tour with Inside Out, guitarist Vic De Cara became strongly influenced by Ray's interest in spirituality and later joined the band when Inside Out disbanded (vocalist Zack De La Rocha later formed the well-known alternative band Rage Against the Machine). In Philadelphia temple they started the Equal Vision record label, which released both Krishnacore albums and traditional bhajans. Ray had previously sold his other label Revelation Records which was hugely successful, and later Equal Vision was sold and went on to release mostly non-devotional hardcore though retaining the name, ethics and Krishna-art logo.

Later on, due to personal differences between Vic and Ray, Vic formed his own band called 108 who toured quite extensively and gained a strong following in the mid-90's. While touring they influenced, amongst others, the band members of straight-edge outfit Concerned to become Krishna devotees, who were at the time only in their mid-teens. Their band was named Prema, and though their career in Krishnacore was short lived, with only the first album Pebble being relevant to the sub-genre, they left an indelible mark.

Perhaps one of the next loved bands was Worlds Collide. Hailing from Washington DC, they had a hard sound and strong message with obvious Krishna influences. They gained quite a strong following and released an ep and 2 albums 'Pain is Temporary' and 'All Hope Abandon' as well as a live album. After the band dissolved, drummer Zack went on the sing in another band Soul Cries who recorded an album which to my knowledge was never released.

One of Ray Cappo's bands on his Equal Vision label was Refuse to Fall, a melodic hardcore band who recorded the ep Soul Fire with the label, and later released the album 'Grey' on another label. They were together for over half the decade though the interest in Krishna consciousness gradually waned.

Swedish band Abhinanda spread the Vedic teachings with their band, sounding like a more emo Youth of Today, and toured Europe with 108 in the mid-nineties. They recorded a couple of albums before waning from spirituality and split later that decade. In Germany were Veil who released 2 albums and a couple of ep's, and Argentina's Bhakti, some of whose members later formed Enquirer. In Italy were the energetic Govinda Hardcore Project and the lesser known Dharma, and in Slovenia were the influential Request Denied (named after a song by 108). In South America the band Sudarshana was formed and were energetic and melodic like Shelter, though later they sounded more commercial and poppy and became fairly mainstream. There were numerous other bands too in various corners of the world, many of whom I myself am still discovering, though often short lived.

Keith Burkhardt of 80's hardcore band Cause for Alarm reformed the band in 1995, defunct almost 10 years since 1986. His now devotional practice influencing the songs, but remaining somewhat aloof from the Krishnacore genre in a league of their own. Keith had been inspired by Cro-Mags singer John Joseph and that had shown even on his early songs with the band, though it wasn't until the reform that it was so clearly expressed. He later shifted more towards Buddhism. Also at some stage the New York Hardcore band Terror Zone displayed quite a Krishna influence, which was quite unique for such a hard-edged band as they were. The album 'Self Realization: A Lesson in True Hardcore' displayed this.

Meanwhile, Cro-Mags singer John Joseph formed his band Both Worlds, fusing more of a metal influence, still with the Krishna conscious theme of his previous band. Also in the Czech Republic the band Kashmir 9:41 was formed by followers of Harikesh Swami, though leaning more towards a metal/industrial sound, experimenting a lot with the new multimedia technology of the time.

When female vocalist Sri moved from Australia to New York to be close to Ray Cappo, she formed her own band Baby Gopal with members of the local hardcore scene. Their sound was much more poppy and the message more subtle, and they only recorded one album. Later Sri played guitar in Shelter after Porcell had left the band.

Although the genre lost much following in the US with the disbanding of 108 and others, it continued to grow in other parts of the world with bands like France's Seekers of the Truth, Poland's Agni-Hotra, and other bands from places like South America and Eastern Europe. In 1998, Poland's Omkara was formed. With dual male and female singers the band sang in native Polish and English. They played at festivals and became a feature of the Polish Woodstock and also played as back-up for Shelter, who were now massive with almost a decade under their belt (albeit with many different members over that time).

Adding to the somewhat revival of Krishnacore since the early/mid-nineties were Run Devil Run, playing around the turn of the century. Lead by Don Foose previously of the Spudmonsters, they were a tight outfit somewhat akin to 80's classic band like Agnostic Front and the Cro-Mags, not surprisingly, having been influenced mainly by the same scene stalwart, John Joseph, and his bands. They played in the US and toured Europe twice in 99, playing at the huge Dynamo festival in Holland. They recorded 2 albums and later split around 2002.

The new millenium saw ex-Shelter guitarist John Porcelly (well known in the HC scene as 'Porcell') form his own Krisnacore band Never Surrender, putting down the guitar for the mike. His disappointment with Shelter's direction, which he felt was losing focus on the spiritual aspect, caused him to leave and do his own thing. Always on the cutting edge of the movement, with his zine and website War on Illusion, his strong focus often caused a stir in a scene often highly skeptical of anything remotely religious. His zine was just one among many which contributed to the teaching of Krishna consciousness amongst the hardcore/punk following. Other popular ones were Anti-Matter, The Enquirer, Krsna Grrrl and Reflections zine, the history of which is another story...

Other bands appeared showing that the interest in Krishna consciousness within the hardcore scene was still there, like the melodic Safe from Italy and harder bands like Argentina's Enquirer. As we move towards the end of this decade I'm sure there'll be many more to mention in what has become almost a revival of the genre.

OTHER SUB-GENRES

As Krishnacore was a sub-genre of the main hardcore scene, there were also other branches of the scene which dealt with similar issues and thus there was sometimes crossover of these different cultures, sometimes conflict.

Straight-edge was one of the first main subcultures within hardcore (see top of page) which itself had various branches varying in extremity of the general principle of 'no vices'. Hardline was a movement which American bands like Vegan Reich and Raid promoted, whose label of the name Hardline released their recordings and through lyrics and other writings established a philosophy of quite extreme non-violence. They were not only opposed to drugs and meat/dairy, but also to abortion. This was quite unprecedented in a scene of much pseudo-liberalism and political correctness, and they raised more than a few eyebrows and polarised their audience into more of an us-and-them scenario. The prevailing opinion of the time was that although veganism seemed a logical step due to the horrors of modern dairy farming, to seemingly impose your view on a woman not to abort her unborn child was viewed to be oppresive in itself. Lacking the higher spiritual knowledge of the living entity in the womb, the foetus was foolishly seen as something inert, despite growing and developing, and therefore not a crime to simply 'remove the tissue' which was unwanted in a given situation. Having the vision though of life as sacred, whether fully developed or otherwise, gave a completely different perspective to the issue and many people condemned abortion along with animal-abuse and the exploitation of the alcohol and tobacco industries.

One very influential band in this regard was Earth Crisis. Gaining a huge following in the US and abroad, they weren't exactly part of the Hardline movement, but propounded similar views in their stance against suffering of others. Their band members vegan, straightedge, and pro-active in spreading awareness about environmental issues, they continue to teach not spirituality but moral instructions to improve the world situation, accompanied by a metal-edged sound popular in the new millenium.

Another genre is the more politically based approach, which although has been common since the early days of punk and hardcore, was given more credibility by intelligent bands like Propagandhi and others. Taking a stand against government and corporation atrocities, but with a personal and often humourous touch, they continue to attempt to bring about change by pointing out the great anomolies of our modern civilisation.

Without denigrating the sincere efforts of others in this mess of a planet, suffice to say here is that without creating a peaceful situation first in our own lives, how can we successfully extend much wanted peace to the scene we're part of and ultimately the world in general? Understanding this, many bands and individuals continue to push the spiritual aspect to our existence as the ultimate solution to all problems. This is not as some think merely a simplistic remedy and actually just a way to escape so-called reality, but as the only means to bring people to the actual spiritual reality beyond the 'virtual-reality' that is this world. This dreamworld we live in, made up of our illusory bodily identification, continues to push us to exploit matter in the struggle to satisfy our senses, and as we do so we sink further and further into suffering. We extend our respect and thanks to everyone on this path. This is the pursuit of truth, and only that truth shall set us free...
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